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It's been awhile since I talked about this topic. I have the summer off so I'll see what I can come up with.
Dr J
Thanks for the feedback. To be in saturation,ic=beta*ib must be greater than the short circuit collector current ((isc=Vcc-Vce)/Rc).. In other words, the collector current is limited by isc even ic exceeds isc. Hope this helps! Dr J.